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Highland Titles (Lord of Glencoe)

Ongelezen berichtdoor Japie Krekel » 16 Jun 2012, 19:17

Ik las in Whisky Passion een stukje van Hans Offringa over de Highland titles
............Kortom komt het hier op neer; Als je land bezit in schotland mag men zich Lord (laird) of Lady noemen.
Het is allemaal legaal en je kunt je nieuwe titel zelfs gebruiken op officiële documenten, zolang het land waarin je woont dat erkent..................

Omdat ik voor Vaderdag c.q. verjaardag nooit weet wat/iets te vragen(ik ben een gelukkig mens), behalve whisky, heb ik mijn zoon even deze tip gegeven :gnif
And just for the fun.
1 square foot vond ik een beetje te klein, dus het is 10 square foot geworden. Je moet er wel op kunnen staan of picknicken, toch ;)

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Nu heb ik 2 stukjes land in schotland. Deze en een plotje bij Laphroaig.

Zoals Hans Offringa al schreef in Whisky Passion ter afsluiting in zijn artikel;
"ik ben benieuwd wie mijn nieuwe buurman of buurvrouw wordt"
Nou Hans, misschien ben ik dat wel. Mijn plot number is B5464.

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Squat 'N Oats » 16 Jun 2012, 20:41

Heel vet! :duimop
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Ongelezen berichtdoor macoffringa » 18 Jun 2012, 09:59

Ha Lord Japie

Mijn plot is A17281.
Als je van jouw plot linksaf slaat, kom je na 3 mijl bij een rotonde, daar ga je rechtsaf, dan 250 meter rechtdoor, vlak achter de derde boom voor je :P
Tot ziens op ons landgoed,

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Ongelezen berichtdoor Piet » 18 Jun 2012, 13:02

Proficiat Lord Japie ... uh... Lord Marcel of Glencoe :gnif

Als dat zo doorgaat moeten we straks hier op het forum nog een nieuwe rang invoeren voor adellijke (highland) titels, rangen en standen :o
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Re: Highland Titles (Lord of Glencoe)

Ongelezen berichtdoor Piet » 18 Jun 2012, 13:26

Piet schreef:Proficiat Lord Japie ... uh... Lord Marcel of Glencoe :gnif

Ik zie dat Ben Nevis de dichtstbijzijnde (actieve) distilleerderij is t.o.z.v. je landgoed. Wel aan de overkant van Loch Linnhe.
Glenlochy is nog iets dichter bij maar die is al vanaf 1983 "silent".

Het ligt daar prachtig. Misschien kun je een whisky-trail gaan organiseren met je landgoed als uitvalsbasis :Tongue
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Ongelezen berichtdoor semtex » 20 Jun 2012, 14:04

The claims of the various peddlers of fake Scottish titles may vary slightly, as do their prices, but, broadly speaking, they are generally similar. For demonstration purposes we have selected one of the more longstanding ones, ‘Highland Titles’.

Become the Laird, Lord or Lady of Glencoe, etc.

The purchase of land in Scotland is not sufficient, per se, to qualify anyone to legally use the title of Laird. The title ‘Lord’ is a ‘Peerage title’ (or a courtsy title of a Scottish ‘Law Lord’) and although it is true to say that the word Laird does derive from Lavert, which is the same root as the word Lord, a genuinely recognised Laird, is a member of the Nobilitas Minora, whereas those who are legally entitled to call themselves Lord, belong to the Nobilitas Majora, or the Peerage. The two terms are certainly not interchangeable.

A Lairdship is, in itself, a title which is linked to the Land, but for it to become a title and part of the name of the individual who owns the land, it is necessary to petition Scotland’s supreme herald, the Lord Lyon King of Arms, for the title to be officially recognised. The Lord Lyon does not actually recognise anyone as a Laird. Rather, he recognises their right to a territorial designation. For example, if someone buys a Scottish estate which for many years has been known as Glensmith, and if this meets the land criteria stipulated by the Lord Lyon (in terms of acreage), on petitioning for a Grant of Arms in that name (or for a change of name certificate if he already has Arms) he will be recognised as “John Smith of Glensmith”. He is also entitled to call himself “The Laird of Glensmith”. It is impossible to have numerous “Lairds” of a single Estate at the same time, as has been advertised by these companies. It should also be pointed out that an area of between one and one thousand square feet does not constitute a legitimate “Estate”! If simply being a landowner in Scotland made you a Laird, Lord or Lady then every owner of a house, garden plot or window box would be one….how ridiculous!!

“The Court of the Lord Lyon, which deals with heraldic matters and coats of arms in Scotland, said that the Glencoe title – like the many others on offer – was ‘meaningless’.”

A legal title deed for your land ownership, on vellum parchment.

These web-sites state that purchasers of these small, square foot parcels of land are not, in fact, required to register their title with the Scottish Land Register, because they are exempt under the Land Registration (Scotland) Act 1979, Section 4(1)(b). Instead, they state that the land is transferred by a contract between Highlandtitles.com and the purchaser of the land.

Section 4(1)(b) of the above Act states that the keeper of the Land Register will not accept an application to register the transfer of ownership of land if it relates to a souvenir plot, i.e. “a piece of land ……… of inconsiderable size or no practical utility”. It is not possible to transfer real ownership rights in such small pieces of land as the keeper of the Scottish Land Register will not accept an application to register ownership thereof.

Scots Law does recognise the transfer of ownership of property by contract i.e a personal right in the land. This happens each time someone buys or sells a house. However for this contract to be valid there is legislation governing the signing and witnessing of the contract – http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/7/contents The ownership of the property i.e. a right in the land itself does not pass to the purchaser until the contract or land deed is registered formerly in the Registered in the Land Register of Scotland.

“1sq ft of land does not entitle them to use the title of “Laird, Lord or Lady”

Master Title Deed to change your title on bank accounts, driving license and other ID

Regarding the use of territorial designations (or the adoption of such titles as “Laird of X”) in a passport, the Lord Lyon has provided guidance on this matter to the UK Passport Office. These guidelines are available through the following link: http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/files/ips/liv ... ssports_(2).pdf

The Lord Lyon King of Arms has also confirmed that for Scottish Lairds it is not necessary for the words “Laird of” to appear on any part of a passport. Instead, the territorial designation should be used, e.g. “John Smith of Glensmith”. Requests for Manorial or Scottish Feudal Titles to be included in a passport will only be accepted by the Passport Office if accompanied by written confirmation from the Lord Lyon in the form of Letters Patent or a Change of Name certificate . If accepted by the Passport Office, such titles will be recorded in the passport with an observation similar to:

THE HOLDER IS THE LORD OF THE MANOR OF…………………..

The contract provided by Highland Titles would not meet the requirements stipulated by the Passport Office. As such, the claim on Highland Titles web-site, that their contract can be used to amend a passport with the title “Laird of” is completely false. Information on Territorial Designations from the Court of the Lord Lyon, Scotland

From the DVLA Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency UK

“If you require your title to be changed to a title of nobility or honour e.g. Lord, Lady or Sir, the title must relate to an honour granted by the Sovereign of the United Kingdom and you must be entitled to use the title in accordance with the honour’s traditional style of usage.

Please note, we only recognise genuine British titles. If you have purchased a title purporting to allow you to use a title such as Sir, Lord, Laird or Lady, we will not recognise such a title because you cannot purchase a genuine British title.

In all cases, if we do not accept your desired title or we do not receive documentary evidence of an approved title. Changing your name by Deed Poll, the licence will be issued showing your name change only”

Coats of Arms

“As Laird (Lord) or Lady of Glencoe, you’ll be entitled to use our specially designed crest. This insignia is carried on your Land Title Deed and incorporates heraldic devices which pertain to our preservation and restoration of Glencoe Wood.”









The arms pictured above are supposed to represent a “Scottish Coat of Arms” which anyone using the above ‘Fake Laird Titles’, can freely use. Displaying Arms which have not been officially granted to you or to which you do not have a legal right, can lead to prosecution in Scotland where heraldry is carefully and rigorously regulated. In other countries you could merely look foolish and attract a certain amount of ridicule. Please read our article on the ”Law of Arms in Scotland”.

Lifetime access to Keil Hill (backing onto Glencoe Wood) & use of the footpaths across the entire 2000 acre estate

Under current countryside access legislation in Scotland, everyone is able to access Keil Hill and the footpaths without the need to buy land to obtain this right. See http://www.outdooraccess-scotland.com/o ... ss-rights/

The right to camp on Keil Hill (backing onto Glencoe Wood) and your plot whenever you want with no restrictions

Wild Camping is permitted by the Scottish countryside access code and there is no requirement to buy land to obtain this right. http://www.snh.gov.uk/docs/A342167.pdf

An Extract From The Baronage Press regarding these so called Lairdships

“A few centuries ago most of the genuine holders of such titles were noble by definition and the proof of that nobility (the test of that nobility) was the lawful possession of a coat of arms. Arms were and are the ensigns of nobility, and thus we have a simple test that can establish immediately whether the titles being sold are titles of nobility. Will the buyer be recognised by the relevant heraldic authority as the holder of a noble title? In Scotland the authority is the Lord Lyon King of Arms, and no one may present himself as an authentic laird, a noble, unless he bears arms lawfully granted, matriculated or recognised by the Lord Lyon.

Thus the man who pays his 365 dollars to become the Laird of Camster will receive his one square foot of land and his “deed”, but the “coat of arms” promised will be a picture of arms that are not his, he will not be recognised by the Lord Lyon, and if he pretends to be a laird (or, as is advised, a lord) he will risk prosecution for false pretences when he uses that pretence to assist any simple commercial transaction (such as, for example, hiring a car). Moreover, it is unlawful in Scotland to use or display any arms unauthorised by the Lord Lyon. The penalties for first offences include confiscation of property and a fine, but second offences may merit imprisonment. That is the law, and the law is still valid. (A plea that the offender has paid US$365 for the arms will not amount to an adequate defence.)” – http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-01/scams1.html

Australian Sunrise Channel 7 Video Clip

The video clip below from ‘Australian Sunrise Channel 7′ Interview with ‘Scottish Highland Titles’, incidentally based in Guernsey Not Scotland, is an insult to the Scottish people. The video however must have boosted sales for these ‘Fake Title Peddlers’ in Australia as Lochaber Highland Estates (part of the same group) have recently unveiled a board thanking Australian residents for their generosity. This despite the interview being absolute nonsense!
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Re: Highland Titles (Lord of Glencoe)

Ongelezen berichtdoor semtex » 20 Jun 2012, 14:21

Nu, hoe leuk het initiatief ook is, toch wel volgende info meegeven:

As mentioned at the start of Warning, companies like Scottish Highland Titles and Lochaber Highland Estates are selling the public the opportunity to become a Laird of the Scottish Highlands.

Scottish Highland Titles offer a title of Laird of Glencoe, however, what they don’t tell you is their land is some fifteen miles from Glencoe, and there is actually a genuine Glencoe Heritage Trust, so perhaps if you really do want to save and conserve Scottish Heritage, you should support them in their efforts, instead of wasting your money on buying a meaningless non-title and a square foot of land, which isn’t even in Glencoe.

A recent article in The Scotsman exposes what a complete nonsense the whole scheme is, however, as they sold 7,500 ‘Lairdships’ in a year, it certainly makes a lot of sense for someone, who must be grateful that people are so willing to accept their claim of the validity of the ‘title’ and anxious to own a square foot of land in Scotland.

As The Scotsman discovered, you wouldn’t actually own the plot anyway as it is too small. “The company claims on its website that the land does not need to be registered with the Registers of Scotland. However, the registers states that it cannot be registered at all”.

A spokesperson said: “The Keeper of the Registers of Scotland cannot accept applications for registration in the land register for land not sufficiently described to allow it to be identified on the Ordnance Survey Map.”

Peter Bevis, the man behind the Glencoe and Lochaber titles has also been censured for dubious practices elsewhere, basically creating sites to charge for something that the Government provides for free, see an article in the Daily Mirror’s blog, about his Telephone Preference Register, which costs you £9.99 and passes itself off as being the official site.

Similar Scottish Lairdships are also available from Highland Laird Titles, offering both Laird of Kingsdale or Glenmore, Become a Lord and various shopping and auction sites, for instance eBay (of course, see below!), Need a Present and LastMinute.com.

All you have to do is to buy a square foot of land in Scotland, and you will be considered a Laird; what a ridiculous concept, by that token most of the population of Scotland are Lairds.

As they describe it, their unique offer gives you legal title to one square foot of land at Glenmore, John O'Groats or Glencairn, and that each plot of land gives the owner the legal right to bear the title "Laird".

They state that currently there are the following titles available: "Laird of Glenmore" and "Laird of John O'Groats and Laird of Glencairn". They are therefore selling these many times over, making the so-called 'Title' of Laird rather less than exclusive, as there will be masses of multiple holders.

However, it certainly could be described as a money making machine, giving them a profit of about 3,000,000% on the cost of the land - quite a nice little earner.

The Telegraph on December 11th 2004, in an article which totally debunked the validity of these Lairdships, stated: “Experts on titles say that salesmen who buy small plots of land to divide them up are operating little more than a scam. The Court of the Lord Lyon, which deals with heraldic matters and coats of arms in Scotland, said that the Glencairn title - like the many others on offer - was ‘meaningless’.”



It is disappointing to find that eBay have fallen for this confidence trick, as they are constantly auctioning the so-called Scottish Lairdships on their site, and are unwilling to do anything about it even when tackled directly; their response is frankly quite pathetic, and makes you wonder about other items that they are selling:
"We can certainly understand your concern regarding the authenticity of the item in question. I will be happy to assist you in anyway that I can.

Unfortunately, eBay doesn't actually handle the merchandise that is offered for auction. Without first hand knowledge of the item, we are unable to guarantee the accuracy of the listing information. We encourage members who are interested in bidding on an item to email the seller for additional information. Be sure to ask the seller specific questions regarding age, authenticity and condition of the item before bidding. In the unlikelihood that the seller doesn't respond, you may want to reconsider your bidding decision.

Part of this information is contained in our User Agreement, under article 3. I have included a portion of that Article below for your review:

'eBay is Only a Venue. Our site acts as the venue for sellers to conduct auctions and for bidders to bid on sellers' auctions. We are not involved in the actual transaction between buyers and sellers. As a result, we have no control over the quality, safety or legality of the items advertised, the truth or accuracy of the listings, the ability of sellers to sell items or the ability of buyers to buy items'."

Loosely interpreted, I take that to mean that, as long they get their commission, they don’t give a damn about the authenticity of what is sold on the eBay site.
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Ongelezen berichtdoor macoffringa » 21 Jun 2012, 09:22

Oh, wat zwaar allemaal ineens. Dit is allemaal gewoon voor de fun 8-)
In 1997 werd ik door Duncan Elphick officieel benoemd tot Dutch Consul of the Craigellachie Hotel,
een eretitel maar ook voor de pret en de betrokkenheid. Er zouden nog 10 consuls volgen van
andere landen.
Kreeg ik 3 jaar later (!) een mailtje van de Nederlandse consul van Schotland.
De dame schreef op hoge toon waar ik "het lef vandaan haalde om mijzelf consul te noemen,
want dat was een beschermde titel." Ze was per ongeluk op de site van het Craigellachie Hotel terecht
gekomen.
Ik heb er maar niet op gereageerd. Wanneer je humor niet meer van ernst kunt onderscheiden ... ;)
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Ongelezen berichtdoor vmk » 21 Jun 2012, 09:28

macoffringa schreef:Kreeg ik 3 jaar later (!) een mailtje van de Nederlandse consul van Schotland.
De dame schreef op hoge toon waar ik "het lef vandaan haalde om mijzelf consul te noemen,
want dat was een beschermde titel." Ze was per ongeluk op de site van het Craigellachie Hotel terecht
gekomen.
Ik heb er maar niet op gereageerd. Wanneer je humor niet meer van ernst kunt onderscheiden ... ;)
Schitterend, geeft je titel alleen nog maar extra cachet :lekker.
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Ongelezen berichtdoor Japie Krekel » 21 Jun 2012, 11:59

macoffringa schreef:Oh, wat zwaar allemaal ineens. Dit is allemaal gewoon voor de fun 8-)
.........................Wanneer je humor niet meer van ernst kunt onderscheiden ... ;)

kijk dat vind ik nou ook.
Ik heb net mijn bloed even geprikt en deze is nog steeds bloed rood in plaats van blauw bloed :P

Japie Krekel schreef:And just for the fun.
LORD Japie

Lees de reacties op scots-titles dit is toch lachen :gnif

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Ongelezen berichtdoor semtex » 21 Jun 2012, 12:16

Er is natuurlijk een verschil tussen 'voor de fun' zoals het Consulverhaal van Hans; en georganiseerde rip-off zoals die Lord-titels die verkocht worden.
Meer nog, die valse Lord-titels zijn intussen zelfs reeds onderwerp van debat geweest in het Schotse parlement.
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Ongelezen berichtdoor Japie Krekel » 21 Jun 2012, 12:36

Oh, sorry.
Ik heb mijn titel aangepast.

rip-off Lord Japie :gnif
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Ongelezen berichtdoor macoffringa » 21 Jun 2012, 19:47

rip offringa :P
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Ongelezen berichtdoor Piet » 21 Jun 2012, 20:35

macoffringa schreef:rip offringa :P
:P
R.I.P. zullen we dan maar schrijven ;) ... met of zonder adellijke titel 8-)
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Ongelezen berichtdoor macoffringa » 22 Jun 2012, 10:27

he Piet, liever niet jongen. :Cry
Ik wil nog wel een tijdje mee! :)
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